Discussion:
Catching VSOE in Venice
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Mike Roberts
2014-02-24 09:27:08 UTC
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SWMBO has booked us on the VSOE from Venice on 1 November. Of the
alternatives for getting there from |London I like the idea of using the
overnight sleeper from Paris arriving only about an hour and a half
earlier. Is this a sensible option? how often has the sleeper arrived
over 30 mins late in say the last year?

Grateful for any suggestions

MikeR

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Giovanni Drogo
2014-02-24 10:00:45 UTC
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Is this a sensible option? how often has the sleeper arrived over 30
mins late in say the last year?
No idea about past statistics, but you can make your own statistics from
now onwards consulting daily http://www.viaggiatreno.it/viaggiatrenonew/
Mike Roberts
2014-02-25 15:41:33 UTC
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Post by Giovanni Drogo
Is this a sensible option? how often has the sleeper arrived over 30
mins late in say the last year?
No idea about past statistics, but you can make your own statistics from
now onwards consulting daily http://www.viaggiatreno.it/viaggiatrenonew/
I have looked up the site and had to discover the train number before I
could use it. I think the train I am interested in is number 221 from
Domodossola. Then I found the following somewhat confusing information:

Departure station
PARIS G.D.LYON Scheduled departure 04:41 Actual departure 03:42
Arrival station
VENEZIA SANTA LUCIA Scheduled arrival 09:35 Expected arrival 08:57
Real time Information
Arrived 22 minutes late Last tracking in VENEZIA SANTA LUCIA At 08:57

I'm guessing the departure times are from Domodossola and the train
actually arrived 38 minutes early. Can anyone confirm this?

MikeR


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Giovanni Drogo
2014-02-25 16:24:28 UTC
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Post by Giovanni Drogo
now onwards consulting daily http://www.viaggiatreno.it/viaggiatrenonew/
I think the train I am interested in is number 221 from Domodossola.
maybe. surely it is not 221 from Calino (unfortunately Trenord and
Trenitalia trains may have the same number)

You should also be able to click on a station or line in the map and see
all trains due or circulating in that station/line in the current
period (apparently the "new" viaggiatreno stopped working on firefox, I
have to use chrome to have it working).

Using the train number AFTER its final arrival you could see the
situation in the last day (of course you have to repeat it every day to
collect a statistics)
Departure station
PARIS G.D.LYON Scheduled departure 04:41 Actual departure 03:42
Arrival station
VENEZIA SANTA LUCIA Scheduled arrival 09:35 Expected arrival 08:57
Sorry but I can't get the same results. I get 04:42 and 09:57 as actual
times. So either you mistyped them, or there is a timezone problem/bug
(you are not in CET aren't you ?)

Anyhow, if on the train diagram you click on ANY station you see the
scheduled and actual transit time in THAT station, so you can
reconstruct where the delay was and how it evolved. Apparently it
accumulated 38 min of delay between Milan and Brescia.
Mike Roberts
2014-02-25 16:59:03 UTC
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Post by Giovanni Drogo
Post by Giovanni Drogo
now onwards consulting daily
http://www.viaggiatreno.it/viaggiatrenonew/
I think the train I am interested in is number 221 from Domodossola.
maybe. surely it is not 221 from Calino (unfortunately Trenord and
Trenitalia trains may have the same number)
You should also be able to click on a station or line in the map and see
all trains due or circulating in that station/line in the current period
(apparently the "new" viaggiatreno stopped working on firefox, I have to
use chrome to have it working).
Using the train number AFTER its final arrival you could see the
situation in the last day (of course you have to repeat it every day to
collect a statistics)
Departure station
PARIS G.D.LYON Scheduled departure 04:41 Actual departure 03:42
Arrival station
VENEZIA SANTA LUCIA Scheduled arrival 09:35 Expected arrival 08:57
Sorry but I can't get the same results. I get 04:42 and 09:57 as actual
times. So either you mistyped them, or there is a timezone problem/bug
(you are not in CET aren't you ?)
Anyhow, if on the train diagram you click on ANY station you see the
scheduled and actual transit time in THAT station, so you can
reconstruct where the delay was and how it evolved. Apparently it
accumulated 38 min of delay between Milan and Brescia.
Thanks you again. Yes I am in UK so the web site is presumably giving
the scheduled times as CET and the actual times converted to my computer
time that is UTC!

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Giovanni Drogo
2014-02-25 17:22:29 UTC
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Thanks you again. Yes I am in UK so the web site is presumably giving the
scheduled times as CET and the actual times converted to my computer time
that is UTC!
If so that is a BUG ... unfortunately I have no idea how to report it !

If you are on Unix/Linux you could perhaps work around is setting the
environment variable TZ in a subshell, and firing the browser from
there.
Arthur Figgis
2014-02-25 22:52:16 UTC
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Post by Mike Roberts
SWMBO has booked us on the VSOE from Venice on 1 November. Of the
alternatives for getting there from |London I like the idea of using the
overnight sleeper from Paris arriving only about an hour and a half
earlier. Is this a sensible option?
No.
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Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK
Theo Markettos
2014-02-26 00:12:18 UTC
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Post by Mike Roberts
SWMBO has booked us on the VSOE from Venice on 1 November. Of the
alternatives for getting there from |London I like the idea of using the
overnight sleeper from Paris arriving only about an hour and a half
earlier. Is this a sensible option?
No.
Agreed.

1. Sleepers in general can run late - loco changes, get repathed by
engineering work, shunting coaches at intermediate stations, waiting for
inbound cars to arrive, have to wait for express trains, etc.

2. TrenItalia's sleepers have a poor and declining reputation - see all over
Seat61

3. Why would you go all the way to Venice just to hang around the railway
station for an hour? If you can, spend at least a day in the city.

I assume this is VSOE eastbound towards Istanbul, not that you're going to
Venice to immediately come back again?

Theo
Mike Roberts
2014-02-26 19:03:14 UTC
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Post by Theo Markettos
Post by Mike Roberts
SWMBO has booked us on the VSOE from Venice on 1 November. Of the
alternatives for getting there from |London I like the idea of using the
overnight sleeper from Paris arriving only about an hour and a half
earlier. Is this a sensible option?
No.
Agreed.
1. Sleepers in general can run late - loco changes, get repathed by
engineering work, shunting coaches at intermediate stations, waiting for
inbound cars to arrive, have to wait for express trains, etc.
2. TrenItalia's sleepers have a poor and declining reputation - see all over
Seat61
3. Why would you go all the way to Venice just to hang around the railway
station for an hour? If you can, spend at least a day in the city.
I assume this is VSOE eastbound towards Istanbul, not that you're going to
Venice to immediately come back again?
Theo
I thought it might not work.

We are getting the west-bound train back to London as a celebration of
her 70th on 2 November. We have both already spent several days in
Venice so the sleeper would have been a reasonable option.

Thanks to all for the replies.

MikeR

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Nigel Emery <>
2014-02-26 13:34:43 UTC
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On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 09:27:08 +0000, Mike Roberts
Post by Mike Roberts
Is this a sensible option?
No!
Post by Mike Roberts
how often has the sleeper arrived
over 30 mins late in say the last year?
I've not used sleeper into Italy that many times, but every time I
have it has been at least an hour late.
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