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Bucharest airport
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Arthur Figgis
2012-09-30 16:50:20 UTC
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Does anyone know if the train+bus service Bucharest Nord <-> airport
currently exists? Various websites suggest it might not, and/or it might
be difficult for a foreigner to use.

Also, are there any Romanian rail passes in existence?
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Neil Williams
2012-09-30 18:40:06 UTC
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Post by Arthur Figgis
Does anyone know if the train+bus service Bucharest Nord <-> airport
currently exists? Various websites suggest it might not, and/or it might
be difficult for a foreigner to use.
No, it doesn't, or at least it didn't as of earlier this year, though
confusingly there is still a banner at Nord advertising it. There is an
infrequent local service running to a station a couple of miles away from
it, but really you would be better advised to take the bus. In doing so,
beware of the odd two journey ticket, and if travelling as a two be careful
to press the 2 button as you do, else you might find yourself at the
receiving end of one of the fearsome commission-paid penalty fare ladies!
(Never worked out how this worked, almost got PFed, avoided it by playing
clueless tourist, then ensured we bought one each on the way back!)

Neil
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Neil Williams
2012-09-30 18:45:51 UTC
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No, it doesn't, or at least it didn't as of earlier this year,
Though the CFR journey planner suggests it may be back! Would still
recommend the bus, though, dead easy and no changes.

Neil
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Arthur Figgis
2012-09-30 19:21:48 UTC
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Post by Neil Williams
No, it doesn't, or at least it didn't as of earlier this year,
Though the CFR journey planner suggests it may be back!
You see the problem...!

My only previous experience of CFR is being ripped off in a buffet car
(like Bulgaria, Romania seemed to have a suspicious lack of change, and
a disconnect between advertised prices and bills)
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Neil Williams
2012-09-30 20:41:34 UTC
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Post by Neil Williams
No, it doesn't, or at least it didn't as of earlier this year,
Though the CFR journey planner suggests it may be back!
You see the problem...!
Quite ;)

It definitely did not exist in February, we used the bus. Would suggest if
you need to plan to plan for the bus, and take a look on the day if you
were specifically wanting to ride the train.

Neil
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Arthur Figgis
2012-10-01 18:06:55 UTC
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Post by Neil Williams
No, it doesn't, or at least it didn't as of earlier this year,
Though the CFR journey planner suggests it may be back!
You see the problem...!
Quite ;)
It definitely did not exist in February, we used the bus. Would suggest if
you need to plan to plan for the bus, and take a look on the day if you
were specifically wanting to ride the train.
I ashamed to say that, in the possible absence of a train, I've booked a
pick-up from a firm which either produces happy customers or has an
exceptionally competent Trip Advisor spamming routine...
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Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK
Philip Richards
2012-10-03 07:44:46 UTC
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Post by Arthur Figgis
Also, are there any Romanian rail passes in existence?
InterRail One Country Passes:

<http://www.interrailnet.com/interrail-passes/one-country-pass/romania>
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Arthur Figgis
2012-10-03 21:37:17 UTC
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Post by Arthur Figgis
Also, are there any Romanian rail passes in existence?
<http://www.interrailnet.com/interrail-passes/one-country-pass/romania>
Thanks - I forgot the unspoken "except for..." :-)

While that presumably makes no kind of financial sense, it would no
doubt be convenient. Anyone know the position on compulsory
reservations, which the DB planner seems to flag up on lots of trains -
in Poland I acted foreign and in Bulgaria I just didn't bother, and
no-one seemed to care, but Romania might be more like the evil SNCF,
RENFE et al.
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Philip Richards
2012-10-04 07:39:01 UTC
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Post by Arthur Figgis
Also, are there any Romanian rail passes in existence?
<http://www.interrailnet.com/interrail-passes/one-country-pass/romania>
Thanks - I forgot the unspoken "except for..." :-)
While that presumably makes no kind of financial sense, it would no
doubt be convenient.
Exactly - cost vs. convenience is your decision really. FWIW, there are
very few alternative passes to IR for countries in Eastern/Central Europe.

There is the Balkan Flexi Pass. Difficult/impossible to buy here in the
UK, only 1st class AFAIK and very expensive compared to buying it
locally. Buy it locally and it is only valid in the country of purchase
to travel to the border via the most direct route.
Post by Arthur Figgis
Anyone know the position on compulsory
reservations, which the DB planner seems to flag up on lots of trains -
in Poland I acted foreign and in Bulgaria I just didn't bother, and
no-one seemed to care, but Romania might be more like the evil SNCF,
RENFE et al.
Minimal charge, no quota restrictions and AFAIK trains rarely fill up.
But basically all trains other than ones that stop at all stations are
advertised as compulsory reservations. You can try & travel unreserved.
I have on a few occasions 65 years ago and didn't get bothered with a
fine or surcharge.
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Philip Richards
2012-10-04 07:40:06 UTC
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I have on a few occasions 65 years ago and didn't get bothered with a
fine or surcharge.
Make that 5 years ago. I'm not that old! :-D
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tim.....
2012-10-08 11:39:26 UTC
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Post by Arthur Figgis
Also, are there any Romanian rail passes in existence?
<http://www.interrailnet.com/interrail-passes/one-country-pass/romania>
Thanks - I forgot the unspoken "except for..." :-)
While that presumably makes no kind of financial sense, it would no
doubt be convenient.
Exactly - cost vs. convenience is your decision really. FWIW, there are
very few alternative passes to IR for countries in Eastern/Central Europe.
There is the Balkan Flexi Pass. Difficult/impossible to buy here in the
UK, only 1st class AFAIK and very expensive compared to buying it locally.
Buy it locally and it is only valid in the country of purchase to travel
to the border via the most direct route.
Post by Arthur Figgis
Anyone know the position on compulsory
reservations, which the DB planner seems to flag up on lots of trains -
in Poland I acted foreign and in Bulgaria I just didn't bother, and
no-one seemed to care, but Romania might be more like the evil SNCF,
RENFE et al.
Minimal charge, no quota restrictions and AFAIK trains rarely fill up.
No my experience.

Whilst my car was in dock (earlier this year) I went from Brasov to
Sighisoara for a day trip.

There are limited trains on this route (which might explain why it was full)
and as I got to the station about an hour before the only useful morning
train, I went to the Bus station first and found that there was an approx
hourly service and that one was due to leave shortly (fortunately one of the
waiting drivers was a guy who used to drive buses in Birmingham so he
translated for me!)

So I went out on the bus. It was a 15-20 seater, never more than half full
and cost 22 Lei (about 4 quid) and took 2 hours 15 minutes.

Unfortunately, the bus just stops on the main highway through the town and I
was told that the return went from across the street.

But when I went there I waited over an hour for a return journey but no bus
went past. I wasn't the only person who seemed to be waiting, but being
Romanian they started to hitch, which I couldn't be bothered to do as I
didn't want to get dumped in the wrong part of Brasov.

This meant that I had to go to the railway station and catch the train back.
No bad thing for a contributor to a railway group you would say and in
terms of the experience you would be right.

But as a traveller, when I went to the window to buy the ticket, I was
informed that the next train was full. I enquired if this meant that I
could stand and she said yes. So she sold me a ticket, 34:80. This was an
"express" train and took 2 hours 18. I could have waited for a later local
train but this took nearly 4 hours. I can see from the ticket that it was
128Km. Oh and I got lucky with a seat as I randomly got on by the
"disabled" space and immediately bagged the "jump" seat which is unreserved
(unless a wheelchair needs it), but there were many standing pax in the
carriage.

So, almost twice the price, for no time saving and no guarantee of a seat.

All in all, from my very limited experience, bus beats the train if you can
be sure where it will start from. But in smaller towns you may not be able
to find where this is.

Hitching from the bus stop is normal in Romania and you are expected to
"pay" the bus fare. Some people seem to make a business of stopping to pick
up people.

And one tip that I learnt from watching the locals (compared with the
obvious tourist) if you're looking for a long distance ride target the cars
that have a number plate from (or beyond) the town that you wish to travel
to, that way they will be more likely to be going there. Mostly the names
are obvious

tim
Arthur Figgis
2012-10-17 18:02:01 UTC
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Post by tim.....
Whilst my car was in dock (earlier this year) I went from Brasov to
Sighisoara for a day trip.
There are limited trains on this route (which might explain why it was full)
There appear to be limited trains (by British standards) on most routes
in Romania!

<snip>
Post by tim.....
So I went out on the bus.
Which from my perspective would defeat the point of going somewhere :-)
Post by tim.....
But as a traveller, when I went to the window to buy the ticket, I was
informed that the next train was full. I enquired if this meant that I
could stand and she said yes. So she sold me a ticket, 34:80. This was
an "express" train and took 2 hours 18. I could have waited for a later
local train but this took nearly 4 hours. I can see from the ticket
that it was 128Km.
The trains are very very slow, although we did at least overtake a
horse-drawn vehicle somewhere.
Post by tim.....
Oh and I got lucky with a seat as I randomly got on
by the "disabled" space and immediately bagged the "jump" seat which is
unreserved (unless a wheelchair needs it), but there were many standing
pax in the carriage.
It seemed to vary. While a 2-car Desiro from Arad to Timisoara was full
and standing, we had a real train almost to ourselves for Sibiu - Arad.
There appears to be a new motorway being built parallel to the Sibiu
line, and I suspect this might be very bad news for the railway.
Post by tim.....
So, almost twice the price, for no time saving and no guarantee of a seat.
But there is a loco to spot :)

A few thoughts on Romania:
* The Bucharest airport [parkway] train would appear to currently exist,
and was even being announced in English at the airport. There are
posters at Nord station, and what looked like air passengers waiting
there. But we got a (prebooked) cab, which took just 20-30 min and was
hassle-free, albeit costing EUR17 for two people. I think it was worth it.
* Overall, I was pretty impressed with CFR. I was expecting dereliction
and decay, but it wasn't like that at all. There are frayed edges, but
[Northern Europe's?] money is clearly being spent. It was much better
than when I passed through in 2008, or Bulgaria when I went there back
in 2007 and 2008.
* Ticketing was no problem; despite warnings in guide books we were able
to buy tickets just minutes before departure.
* Some stations/ticket windows don't take credit cards.
* "Everyone" speaks enough English to sell and check tickets, provide
information etc.
* Prices are low (for a Western European tourist).
* Long-distance tickets come with seat allocations, but the seats are
not always labelled clearly, and if a little old lady is in the wrong
seat and has stacked her bags all over the place, confusion breaks out
(just like Brussels - Cologne).
* What _do_ old women in Eastern Europe carry in those bags which I can
barely lift onto luggage racks/platforms for them?
* The trains were pretty high standard, certainly compared to my past
experience of Poland, Bulgaria or Serbia. Modern(?) loco-hauled coaches,
in good condition. They seem to like the odd and hard to describe
pseudo-compartment layout in coaches.
* It's not really worth paying extra for first class.
* They use Desiros on some rather long runs. Boo. Only had to do one,
fortunately, and that was "only" 1 h 20 min.
* Trains are very very slow - looked like 40 km/h average on some routes.
* Time keeping was generally pretty good, except on the Constanta line
where there were engineering works.
* It looks like the Constanta line is being thoroughly rebuilt.
* Is that really "Blue Danube" starting their station announcements?
* Few on-train announcements - but despite this, people didn't seem to
leave all their personal belongings behind, fail to open the doors, try
to take an ordinary bicycle with them etc.
* Station names are hard to spot.
* We didn't get to use Regiotrans, as their train which we wanted to
catch appeared to no longer exist. We saw a pretty scummy ex-SNCF unit,
but some of their stock looked respectable.
* There was no hassle at the stations, in contrast to a brief visit in
2008 when Bucharest Nord was infested with beggars, touts and general
undesirables. In fact, there was little hassle anywhere. Even the taxi
drivers at Nord readily accepted we didn't actually want a cab and then
left us alone.
* Advertised on-train catering didn't always exist
* People smoke in train toilets and vestibules. I'd forgotten just how
nasty smoking in public places is, and finding your coat stinks the next
day.
* There is lots of freight, with various operators.
* Sibiu railway museum is a load of dumped steam locos at a depot. See
it now before they all rust away.
* There are a few plinthed steam locos on the network, but not many.
* Timisoara - Severin is very scenic.
* The flat lands in the south are not scenic. Mile after mile of endless
absolutely b. all.
* Ursus Black is rather nice. Other beers are generic euro-lagers. We
tried asking at a specialist beer pub if there are any good Romanian
beers, but the waitress seem to think this was strange concept - surely
if you want a good beer you would get a German, Belgian or British one?
* Almost no toilets in Romania have (working) door locks. Even in hotels.
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Theo Markettos
2012-10-17 18:20:51 UTC
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Post by Arthur Figgis
* "Everyone" speaks enough English to sell and check tickets, provide
information etc.
Interesting that this has changed. It wasn't at all like that 9 years ago.
Post by Arthur Figgis
* The flat lands in the south are not scenic. Mile after mile of endless
absolutely b. all.
What was interesting they way we'd stop at an isolated platform in a dead flat
landscape, with only wheatfields until the horizon. People would
get off the train and start walking into the distance. I wonder how far
they had to walk to their village, because I couldn't see any sign of it.

Theo
bob
2012-10-18 15:14:16 UTC
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Post by Arthur Figgis
* Few on-train announcements - but despite this, people didn't seem to
leave all their personal belongings behind, fail to open the doors, try
to take an ordinary bicycle with them etc.
Was there a prevelance of ordinary bicycles in that part of the
world? I can't say I've ever seen somebody try to take one by train,
in any country.

Robin
Arthur Figgis
2012-10-18 17:22:30 UTC
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Post by Arthur Figgis
* Few on-train announcements - but despite this, people didn't seem to
leave all their personal belongings behind, fail to open the doors, try
to take an ordinary bicycle with them etc.
Was there a prevelance of ordinary bicycles in that part of the
world? I can't say I've ever seen somebody try to take one by train,
in any country.
Whoever scripts Southern's announcements seems to have considered it to
be a problem worth tackling.

I've seen one in a museum in Slovakia, but not as far away as Romania. I
assume there must be some there, though.
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Sarah
2012-11-07 11:30:21 UTC
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;-))

it might be appropriate to extend the extension of the perspective wisely;
We may also consider that it must be useful to decrease the quality management of the perspective in a
rapid manner about the line;
Subsequently, somebody shoud try to lessen the extension of the perspective with
appropriate experience
:-)
Tadej Brezina
2012-10-04 10:03:02 UTC
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Post by Arthur Figgis
Does anyone know if the train+bus service Bucharest Nord <-> airport
currently exists? Various websites suggest it might not, and/or it might
be difficult for a foreigner to use.
Could it possibly be, as I experienced last year myself and Neil posted
earlier, that the situation as it is, is the proposed service?
Airport - Bus - Station
Because, when looking at google maps, there's no rail connection running
anywhere towards the airport. Henri Coanda, just passing abt. 1km away
from the southwest to the northeast.

It's a gruesomely slow ride.

regards
T+
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Rink
2019-09-20 22:36:46 UTC
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Post by Tadej Brezina
Post by Arthur Figgis
Does anyone know if the train+bus service Bucharest Nord <->
airport currently exists? Various websites suggest it might not,
and/or it might be difficult for a foreigner to use.
Could it possibly be, as I experienced last year myself and Neil
posted earlier, that the situation as it is, is the proposed
service? Airport - Bus - Station Because, when looking at google
maps, there's no rail connection running anywhere towards the
airport. Henri Coanda, just passing abt. 1km away from the southwest
to the northeast.
It's a gruesomely slow ride.
regards T+
Last year (2018) I was in Bucharest.
There still is no direct train service to the international airport.
There is a train station about two kilometres from the airport and I've
read that mini shuttle busses drive from the airport to this train
station. Travel time is 50 minutes to Gara de Nord, so you also can take
the direct bus 780.
They have plans for a metro line, but this metro is not yet ready.
Take a bus from Gara de Nord to the airport (bus 780), or from the
centre to the airport (bus 783).

http://stbsa.ro/eng/v_bus_expres_eng.php

And take extra time!!!
When we were travelling from Gara de Nord to the airport the scheduled
bus did not go. So we had to wait for the next bus which was on Sunday
one hour later. We scheduled enough extra time, so we had no problem,
but if you don't have extra time ......

And because of the busy traffic in Bucharest the bus from the airport to
the station took more then an hour, so we had only two minutes to catch
our train to Brasov.......
We succeeded !!
Just because we already bought our train tickets at the airport......


Good travel!
Rink
Jeremy Double
2019-09-21 06:43:36 UTC
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Post by Tadej Brezina
Post by Arthur Figgis
Does anyone know if the train+bus service Bucharest Nord <->
airport currently exists? Various websites suggest it might not,
and/or it might be difficult for a foreigner to use.
Could it possibly be, as I experienced last year myself and Neil
posted earlier, that the situation as it is, is the proposed
service? Airport - Bus - Station Because, when looking at google
maps, there's no rail connection running anywhere towards the
airport. Henri Coanda, just passing abt. 1km away from the southwest
to the northeast.
It's a gruesomely slow ride.
regards T+
Last year (2018) I was in Bucharest.
There still is no direct train service to the international airport.
There is a train station about two kilometres from the airport and I've
read that mini shuttle busses drive from the airport to this train
station. Travel time is 50 minutes to Gara de Nord, so you also can take
the direct bus 780.
They have plans for a metro line, but this metro is not yet ready.
Take a bus from Gara de Nord to the airport (bus 780), or from the
centre to the airport (bus 783).
http://stbsa.ro/eng/v_bus_expres_eng.php
And take extra time!!!
When we were travelling from Gara de Nord to the airport the scheduled
bus did not go. So we had to wait for the next bus which was on Sunday
one hour later. We scheduled enough extra time, so we had no problem,
but if you don't have extra time ......
And because of the busy traffic in Bucharest the bus from the airport to
the station took more then an hour, so we had only two minutes to catch
our train to Brasov.......
We succeeded !!
Just because we already bought our train tickets at the airport......
Good travel!
Rink
You realise that you are replying to a post from 2012?
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Rink
2019-09-21 19:46:37 UTC
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Post by Jeremy Double
Post by Rink
Post by Tadej Brezina
Post by Arthur Figgis
Does anyone know if the train+bus service Bucharest Nord <->
airport currently exists? Various websites suggest it might not,
and/or it might be difficult for a foreigner to use.
Could it possibly be, as I experienced last year myself and Neil
posted earlier, that the situation as it is, is the proposed
service? Airport - Bus - Station Because, when looking at google
maps, there's no rail connection running anywhere towards the
airport. Henri Coanda, just passing abt. 1km away from the southwest
to the northeast.
It's a gruesomely slow ride.
regards T+
Last year (2018) I was in Bucharest.
There still is no direct train service to the international airport.
There is a train station about two kilometres from the airport and I've
read that mini shuttle busses drive from the airport to this train
station. Travel time is 50 minutes to Gara de Nord, so you also can take
the direct bus 780.
They have plans for a metro line, but this metro is not yet ready.
Take a bus from Gara de Nord to the airport (bus 780), or from the
centre to the airport (bus 783).
http://stbsa.ro/eng/v_bus_expres_eng.php
And take extra time!!!
When we were travelling from Gara de Nord to the airport the scheduled
bus did not go. So we had to wait for the next bus which was on Sunday
one hour later. We scheduled enough extra time, so we had no problem,
but if you don't have extra time ......
And because of the busy traffic in Bucharest the bus from the airport to
the station took more then an hour, so we had only two minutes to catch
our train to Brasov.......
We succeeded !!
Just because we already bought our train tickets at the airport......
Good travel!
Rink
You realise that you are replying to a post from 2012?
Yes.
Arthur Figgis
2019-09-22 17:30:08 UTC
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Post by Rink
Post by Arthur Figgis
Does anyone know if the train+bus service Bucharest Nord <->
airport currently exists? Various websites suggest it might not,
and/or it might be difficult for a foreigner to use.
Last year (2018) I was in Bucharest.
You realise that you are replying to a post from 2012?
We pre-booked an airport pick-up in the end. Simple, quick, and in the
grand scheme of things not too expensive. At least it was in 2012...
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